Καλλιόπη - Helping Hands

I would be interested to hear any thoughts on punishments for those failing to make their weekly contributions. Also any thoughts on rewards for those who do consistantly make their contributions so we can show how much we value their efforts!

Personally, i don't want to keep up with it too much. i understand that as founder ya have to deal such matters. . .i am of the belief that someone(myself) who appreciates all that the guild and the affiliation with it's members provide, sees the  tax as important & does just give on top of it -if getting what is needed. 

  If giving more means less taxes, that is too much thinking and trouble for the tender to deal with. Granted, i'm not an owner, nor would want to be(i know i have a tendency to micro-manage and over attention to detail) -but the system (seems to me) should be smooth and effortless for our brave leader. Number of members is pushin envelope  to confusion sometimes for me, so my suggestion would be of a monitor of inactivity and let the taxes settle the rest out. . .  i seldom pay attention to those numbers cause i learned a while back that i'm usually above the curve.

 i usually make two donations, first to guild 2nd to me. If i was on and no one was there for advice or buffing (seldom happens) i adjust deposit to me 1st -to balance my own. If deposit would be real small cause hunting elite or plants i will skip quild depot (too small to be significant). .

 ok, nuff babbling. . . . Cya,

I believe in the measure of gold contribution as a measure of activity. I also think that adjusting the targets as the guild has changed was the right move. I find that the targets are VERY achievable, especially at the lower levels, and the only time it's even a question (for an active player) is at the very beginning of a new tier.

You asked 2 questions, and I have 2 answers... 

How to reward players who consistantly hit their targets  --I don't know if a reward with a tax free day is the best way. I would personally not take advantage of it, since I can only hunt 2x per week anyway. It would mean that I miss my target the next time. Plus, it's a big effort on the part of the rank administrator. Do we really reward people for doing what they agreed to do when they join the guild? Perhaps if everyone actually hit their targets consistantly, the targets would even decrease a little for everyone... Sorry, no real answer here, as a default, I'd leave it alone.

Punishments for those who fail to make contributions  --I once worked for a company that used peer pressure to make past-due collections, by making the past due amount public on a postcard. People really responded to that. Calli, you often make a mass message when contributions are updated. I would be in favor of adding a column to the table with an amount past due... under the theory that contributions are 'owed' to the guild, and if not made this week, but be repayed the next.  When the week is over, the message can include names and amounts past due. If the amount past due ever equals 2 weeks of target, then the consequence is automatic... that way there is a defined way of getting off the 'hit list' and back into good graces. Pay your bills!

If needed, I'll follow up this message to clarify...I'm not sure I make much sense. Ask questions if interested enough in clarification

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Ok, as far as punishment for not meeting contribution.... I think that is what our "Not Helping Much" rank is for...

Now for reward for those who consistently meet their contributions... i think they should get a tax refund.    A set percentage based on level and amount due.

I didn't understand what you meant with tax refund T4, so I hope I won't say it again what you jsut said Maybe as a prize it's not a tax free day but a lower tax day, for example 15% or 20%. Punsishment, well in game it's hard to make something like that up...

I agree wholeheartedly with BD on the tax free days not being the ideal reward. I personally like giving to my guild when possible and doing my part to keep things going. I hunt once a week or less... And would likely change my tax rate back before hunting if I got it anyways...

As for the punishment, I'm not really sure Not Helping Much is getting it done... if people were embarassed by not meeting their targets, they'd already be working harder to ensure it didn't happen again.

That said, I think incentives, not in the way of tax refunds or tax free days could work... what if we start doing a weekly draw... for gear or fsp... and anyone who has made their contributions for 3 consecutive weeks is entered?

 I wish there was less focus on punishing players. This is a game and to read all the ideas for punishing guild members for not "meeting their quota" kills the fun and makes it seem like a job.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for donating to my guild, however nothing is ever as cut and dried as it would seem on a spreadsheet. This past week, I was "in the red" because my hunt days fell on Sunday and Thursday, which are considered different weeks.  Yet the previous week, I was far above my required amount. If we must keep track of two weeks in a row to determine if a player must be punished, then shouldn't we also look at whether two consecutive weeks average out to the required contribution? That would be fair, and would avoid punishing or embarrassing players that are contributing in good faith, just with bad timing, or who are maybe having an off week.

Personally, I'm trying to upgrade my stam gain so that i can hunt more often, which will benefit the guild. I'm doing this by taking a week off from hunting to sell buffs, but if i'm required to donate 750k of my earnings, I will be upgrading very little and the entire endeavor will be pointless. Just a loss of xp.

Well, those are my thoughts on it. I know I'm new, and it might seem a bit presumptious of me to have such a strong opinion, but I just thought a fresh, objective perspective might help a little.  (Absolutely no offense intended, by the way.)

Have just been reading through the contributions debate on the webforums. Lots of interesting points raised, but the consesus seems to benot so much to punish those who fail, but to reward those who achieve.That is fair enough, but can I ask you to please post what, in youropinion, would be suitable rewards without breaking the bank obviouslylol

I am new hear and sometimes newbie's are like outsiders looking in and seems to me that you have a great guild ( I like it so far ) inactivity = getting booted at least has in everyother guild so if not active then no donation= get booted unless there is a reason do we have vacation status for those who know they we not be on for a week or so do to prior commitment... as far as rewards the benifits you get from being in a guild should be reward enough but prizes are always fun but any one can make quota because they can sell fsp and deposit so not real active but if you did rewards on most xp into guild ( have to set up tiers so lower lvls don't get screwed) earns gear or fsp then you get more gold and higher lvl players in your guild